... appreciated !
as some of you know i've been logging my dreams since dec. of 2010 and am up to 184 pages worth now.
some of them have been disturbing dreams dealing with jw expereiences as i was a jw from birth until age 44 when i exited 9 years ago.
Very interesting dream Flipper. I think OTWO is pretty close to it's meaning.
Personally I have very few JW dreams anymore, but when I do they're always the same. I am desperately trying to convince family (even my now deceased parents) TTATT and it always ends the same, nobody listens. I wake up feeling frustrated.
two dubs are just leaving a door in field service after a householder throughly demolishes one of their doctrines.
one dub says to the other:.
"i hate it when they ask me questions i can't answer, when i've answered them so many times before.".
so very true. JWs the masters of deflection. I hated when people didn't follow my 'script'. It totally threw a monkey wrench into everything. I much preferred the "I'm not interested" & subsequent door slamming.
this sunday, august 26th, 2012, is besse cooper's birthday.
besse is the oldest verified living person.
she will be 116 years old on sunday!
Happy Birthday Besse! You've given me hope. Let's see...that gives me another 59 years....yup just might be enough time to see the Wt. crash & burn. Leslie
the book of job describes a conversation between the devil and jehovah, as everyone knows.
however, satan knew jehovah intimately and would have been well aware of jehovah's ability of foreknowledge.
one would have to imagine that jehovah could have easily just told satan that job would in fact be faithful and therefore spared job the agony he went through, as he had insight because of his foreknowledge that the spirit creatures should have understood.. did jehovah and satan have a high-stakes game going?
Thanks Leolaia, your post explains a lot. Appreciated understanding how Rutherford came up with the vindication scenario. -Leslie-
that's something most (if not all jw's) rarely get to do.
and it's something i've started embracing for a while.
at the meeting i was talking to some of the younger crowd and they were expressing their sadness about the congregation splitting.
CONGRATS ODIBF That was excellent. I love how you made reference to the Pharisees without actually saying the GB are like the Pharisees. Planting small seeds is the way to go. You worded it in such a way that if someone were to tell someone what you said, you'd be able to pass it off as they must have misunderstood. -Leslie-
not wishing to hijack diest's thread i wanted to ask the above question to those who were affected.
the criminal record you received is terrible in itself, but i wanted to ask if it has affected whether or not you could get a passport.
- leslie-.
Not wishing to Hijack Diest's thread I wanted to ask the above question to those who were affected. The criminal record you received is terrible in itself, but I wanted to ask if it has affected whether or not you could get a passport. - Leslie-
i never cease to be amazed by the sacrifice that the wts foolishly requires.
one of the larger sacrifices is that of personal freedom that has been demanded of young men and women around the globe.
many are sent to prison for several years and have a felony on their record for life.
I remember hearing about the young brothers during the Vietnam War. (I'm Canadian) Until you hear the real story from those affected you have no idea what it was REALLY like and how it affected your life long after the fact. We were never told the outcome and the real consequences. I had no idea that you were instructed to say that this was your own idea. It makes me sad that you all had to go through this for nothing and get stuck with a criminal record. Terry, that is just terrible. Jehovah obviously wasn't helping anyone. I hate this Cult and it's leaders for all the lives they have ruined.-Leslie-
this was one of the last presentations i took in.
very powerful stuff.. icsa 2012 conference listening to the still small voice: reclaiming the self after leaving religious totalistic groups.
most people go through a stage in late adolescence or early adulthood where they ask this question of themselves.
People are so much more interesting when they're not forced into being carbon copies of someone elses ideal. There were a lot of people in my hall that were visibly unhappy, depressed and on medication to cope with it all. I have pity for them now and hope more wake up and 'find' themselves.
this was one of the last presentations i took in.
very powerful stuff.. icsa 2012 conference listening to the still small voice: reclaiming the self after leaving religious totalistic groups.
most people go through a stage in late adolescence or early adulthood where they ask this question of themselves.
Thank you for sharing this Lady Lee. When I first left the cult I cried a lot because I felt completely lost. Here I was 48 yrs old and didn't know myself. It was pretty scary. I had no idea who I was as an individual. I wasn't even sure of what I liked or disliked in myself and others. Gradually through sitting and listening to the small voice the real person came out. For the first time in my life I finally know who I am and it's a great feeling.I'm now 57 and I wouldn't trade the new me for a younger cult-controlled me. -Leslie-
for those who are interested, the november 2012 awake!
is now available for download online.. among items of possible interest are some of the latest examples of fear-mongering "armageddon art" on pages 12 and 14.... .
speaking of armageddon, you will be sad to hear that the criteria for surviving the great day of god's wrath just got a little more stringent.. there are a number of extra things in this month's awake!
Thx again Cedars. The messages they send are very subtle by passing them off as news. The first one about heading the ball will likely have parents fearing damage to their kids if they participate in sports. We were always cautioned about doing any activity that may result in injury or death because it showed a lack of appreciation for life. Jehovah doesn't like that you know. lol
That second picture is insulting to women. For one thing look at the disproportionate size of their mouths when compared to the rest of their heads. Plus men also wear designer clothes. Typical Watchtower stereotyping.
The last one made me laugh. Oh the evil Hybrid. Wouldn't want to incur bloodguilt by accidently hitting someone. I think they just don't want you driving such a small car. I mean, how many Dubs could you shoe horn into it for service.
-Leslie-
